The Future of Less Work

What Makes Us Human in an AI World with Joe Hart and Matt Britton

December 9, 2025
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When more knowledge is available on demand, what makes a person valuable at work?

On The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen brings together Joe Hart, CEO of Dale Carnegie, and Matt Britton, Suzy founder and author of Generation AI, to discuss the human side of working with AI.

Matt focuses on creativity, curiosity, and problem-solving. Joe brings empathy, trust, and communication into the discussion. Together they consider how education, training, and leadership could change as people work alongside intelligent agents.

The conversation puts a practical question to leaders: as the tools improve, how will you help your people grow?


https://youtu.be/ZSDsDWcs8nc

Guest background
Joe Hart leads Dale Carnegie Training, co-authored Take Command, and hosts the Take Command leadership podcast. Before Dale Carnegie, he helped found workplace wellness company Asset Health.

Matt Britton is the founder of Suzy and the author of Youth Nation and Generation AI. He speaks on consumer behavior, generational change, and AI, and hosts The Speed of Culture podcast with Adweek.

Matt and Joe Hart / Dale Carnegie also co-created Human by Design: Future-Proofing Yourself in an AI-Driven World, a course focused on creativity, critical thinking, complex problem-solving, and effective communication.


Chapters:
00:00: What Makes Us Human in an AI World
01:10: The End of the Knowledge Economy
03:05: Human Skills AI Cannot Replace
04:40: Why Leadership Matters in the Age of AI
06:50: Will AI Replace Jobs or Redefine Them?
09:50: How Humans Stay Valuable in an AI Workplace
11:50: What AI Still Gets Wrong About Humans
13:30: How Learning Must Change for the AI Era
15:20: The Rise of the AI-Powered Solopreneur
17:15: Can Organizations Keep Up With AI Change?
19:10: Who Gets Left Behind in the AI Revolution?
20:50: How to Build AI Fluency in Daily Life
22:50: Building Trust in a Digital and AI-Driven Workplace
24:55: Why Caring Is a Critical Leadership Skill
26:40: How to Future-Proof Your Career With AI
27:55: The One Question to Ask About Your Future With AI
29:10: Doing More of What Only Humans Can Do

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